This Bishop has lost sight of his rightful function, and appears to have formed his opinion on media talking points. The Police should be the authority who prevent any possible disruption - which I supect would not be instigated by the visiting speakers, most likely those who are the subject of the topic to be debated and their supporters. I suspect this also has the hand of our inglorious present government sullying the decision.
Whilst I can understand the christian attitude of trying to bring all together there a total lack of the "under Christ" bit. How is it possible that a supposed man of God and a supposed leader of the C of E this Croft person gets things so wrong and similarly sides on the side of a heresy that is so obviously Islam.
I am an atheist. I was a student in England in the early 1980s, when the Church of England ordained women as deaconesses but not yet as full priests. There was a girl at my College on a post-grad Theology course who planned to be ordained as a Deaconess in the Church of England. Even I was taken aback when some moral dilemma came up in conversation and someone asked:
'What would Jesus have said?',
to which she replied:
'I don't see why it matters what ONE MAN would have said!'
I didn't want to be rude to her, but I was baffled that she intended to be ordained into the Church, and make that her career, when she evidently did not believe in the essentials of Christianity.
As an atheist, I actually find it easier to understand and respect Christians who actually believe in their religion than wishy washy clergy whose faith seems without substance, even if believing Christians occasionally tell me I shall burn in Hell eternally for not believing in their religion.
(As Muslims have also told me I shall burn in Hell eternally for not believing in THEIR religion. I have found it harder to get clarity on what, if any, Afterlife religious Jews think awaits someone like me?)
I have found it so strange that so many “Christians“ do not understand Islam, of course the individuals that I’m referring to don’t understand biblical Christianity either. Both the United States, and in the UK there are individuals posing as Christian leaders, as bishops and as archbishops, when they are truly not believers, but heretics and/or apostates
This bishop has lost his way! Great comments Calvin. I totally agree, the bishops comments are weak, pathetic and should not be uttered by a man in his position.
Bishop Croft with most of the CoE establishment errantly triumph in the cowardly and emotibistic victory of the secular therapeutic as Philip Reith noted.
The Bishop speaks with two tongues, he states the need to uphold free speech & opposing opinions, but called to cancel the debate. He mentions the UTK which was peaceful and threatened nobody and speaks about the Jewish community in the same sentence. TR is a huge supporter of the Jewish community, so what is his point? He then speaks of the attack in San Diego, but conveniently ignores the attacks in Golders Green. Everyone knows none of these attacks have anything to do with you, Tommy or Lawrence, so what has any of this got to do with your debate. When does the Bishop think is a good time to have this debate as there never seems to be any lasting peace in the Middle East. I note he doesn’t mention or call to cancel the massive crowds congregating in London, Birmingham etc celebrating Eid, which could equally be seen as divisive and stress inducing to millions of people.
Lastly I would say the problem isn’t with the three of you speaking to an invited debate but rather the problem would be coming from all the people that he thinks will be demonstrating about the debate, they are the ones who would be posing a threat and sowing division. His actions are cowardly and disgraceful. What makes these people feel they have the right to speak on other peoples behalf and be the arbiter of what people can or cannot listen to.
A Godson whose Roman Catholic Baptism I attended years ago here in Australia has, I was informed by his father days ago, “married” another male. When I pointed out the inherent illegitimacy of this, especially for a baptised Catholic, it did not go down well. I wasn’t informed of the ‘union’ earlier, let alone invited. Both father & son insist that my role as Godfather is not relevant at this stage of his life.
I regard it as a role now more important than ever.
This one instance illustrates how imperiled Catholicism now is, when even its own congregation don’t appreciate its fundamental importance.
The Church is in for tough times.
I anticipate what your view would be, but please feel free to comment if you have time; I’d very much value your perspective, Father, & would like to mention your view to Peter,(who ironically changed his name from another good Catholic name, Nicholas).
This Bishop has lost sight of his rightful function, and appears to have formed his opinion on media talking points. The Police should be the authority who prevent any possible disruption - which I supect would not be instigated by the visiting speakers, most likely those who are the subject of the topic to be debated and their supporters. I suspect this also has the hand of our inglorious present government sullying the decision.
Whilst I can understand the christian attitude of trying to bring all together there a total lack of the "under Christ" bit. How is it possible that a supposed man of God and a supposed leader of the C of E this Croft person gets things so wrong and similarly sides on the side of a heresy that is so obviously Islam.
Exactly!
By way of gnostic parasitism admixed with the comparitive religion menu.
It seems to be a requirement for all Establishment leaders in every area to kowtow to Islam, for reasons that remain unfathomable to any normal person
I am an atheist. I was a student in England in the early 1980s, when the Church of England ordained women as deaconesses but not yet as full priests. There was a girl at my College on a post-grad Theology course who planned to be ordained as a Deaconess in the Church of England. Even I was taken aback when some moral dilemma came up in conversation and someone asked:
'What would Jesus have said?',
to which she replied:
'I don't see why it matters what ONE MAN would have said!'
I didn't want to be rude to her, but I was baffled that she intended to be ordained into the Church, and make that her career, when she evidently did not believe in the essentials of Christianity.
As an atheist, I actually find it easier to understand and respect Christians who actually believe in their religion than wishy washy clergy whose faith seems without substance, even if believing Christians occasionally tell me I shall burn in Hell eternally for not believing in their religion.
(As Muslims have also told me I shall burn in Hell eternally for not believing in THEIR religion. I have found it harder to get clarity on what, if any, Afterlife religious Jews think awaits someone like me?)
I have found it so strange that so many “Christians“ do not understand Islam, of course the individuals that I’m referring to don’t understand biblical Christianity either. Both the United States, and in the UK there are individuals posing as Christian leaders, as bishops and as archbishops, when they are truly not believers, but heretics and/or apostates
.
This bishop has lost his way! Great comments Calvin. I totally agree, the bishops comments are weak, pathetic and should not be uttered by a man in his position.
Completely agree with you Calvin and I am a free church Evangelical
Bishop Croft with most of the CoE establishment errantly triumph in the cowardly and emotibistic victory of the secular therapeutic as Philip Reith noted.
The Bishop speaks with two tongues, he states the need to uphold free speech & opposing opinions, but called to cancel the debate. He mentions the UTK which was peaceful and threatened nobody and speaks about the Jewish community in the same sentence. TR is a huge supporter of the Jewish community, so what is his point? He then speaks of the attack in San Diego, but conveniently ignores the attacks in Golders Green. Everyone knows none of these attacks have anything to do with you, Tommy or Lawrence, so what has any of this got to do with your debate. When does the Bishop think is a good time to have this debate as there never seems to be any lasting peace in the Middle East. I note he doesn’t mention or call to cancel the massive crowds congregating in London, Birmingham etc celebrating Eid, which could equally be seen as divisive and stress inducing to millions of people.
Lastly I would say the problem isn’t with the three of you speaking to an invited debate but rather the problem would be coming from all the people that he thinks will be demonstrating about the debate, they are the ones who would be posing a threat and sowing division. His actions are cowardly and disgraceful. What makes these people feel they have the right to speak on other peoples behalf and be the arbiter of what people can or cannot listen to.
Father Robinson, you must be really, really pissed!!! ( as in "angry", not " drunk", although you might have been needing a drink after all this!)
A Godson whose Roman Catholic Baptism I attended years ago here in Australia has, I was informed by his father days ago, “married” another male. When I pointed out the inherent illegitimacy of this, especially for a baptised Catholic, it did not go down well. I wasn’t informed of the ‘union’ earlier, let alone invited. Both father & son insist that my role as Godfather is not relevant at this stage of his life.
I regard it as a role now more important than ever.
This one instance illustrates how imperiled Catholicism now is, when even its own congregation don’t appreciate its fundamental importance.
The Church is in for tough times.
I anticipate what your view would be, but please feel free to comment if you have time; I’d very much value your perspective, Father, & would like to mention your view to Peter,(who ironically changed his name from another good Catholic name, Nicholas).
Best wishes for the future of such debates,
Russell.
Sadly the two prophesied worm ridden anti popes Francis and Leo put there by Masonic cardinals are just as bad Calvin
And as a catholic i can’t tell you just how angry I am that all the prophecies about apostasy have now come true .